D03 Exam piece 2017

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D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Lun May 08, 2017 10:58 am

Hi,

I am proposing to use this thread as the start of a discussion on the D03 exam piece.

If it is allowed, perhaps we can post videos of our early efforts so that we can compare and help one another.

Thank you.

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Lun May 08, 2017 11:16 am

A few initial thoughts on this piece.

1. It appears to be easier than many of the pieces we have practiced on D03 recently - perhaps the reason is so that we can learn the piece quickly in order to work on dynamics.

2. There are a number of repeated sections - these would need to played in a different way each time in order to keep the piece sounding interesting.

3. There are repeated parts that are slightly different ie lacking the base notes. - This could catch you out if you are not careful, especially when playing form memory.

David Sainz Alvarez

Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Lun May 08, 2017 11:35 am

Very good appraisals :okok:

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Mié May 10, 2017 9:36 pm

Hi DaveMoutrie.
Sorry but I do not intend to present tests and I will only publish the exam.
However, if I can help you with something tell me

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Jue May 11, 2017 7:31 am

If you do a U Tube search for this using the english title i.e. carulli waltz in e minor
you will find lots of verisions of this.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JC95mZFk0Q

or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1nGvvuAds

There is also a lesson on how to play it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuPEwQz7Oc

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Jue May 11, 2017 7:42 am

Seeing so many videos can be harmful. I prefer to do my waltz version

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Jue May 11, 2017 7:49 am

Why see such a version?
Does it seem like a hard work?

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Jue May 11, 2017 12:47 pm

David Sainz Alvarez escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 7:49 am
Why see such a version?
Does it seem like a hard work?
From a technical point of view simply playing the notes, the piece is not difficult.

However, the advantage of seeing how other people have played it is as follows:

1. As with listening to Jean-Francois in the lessons, it gives an idea of the overall shape of the piece and how the piece might sound. This gives a basis for comparison when you come to play it yourself and also helps you to more quickly spot when you make any mistakes.

2. Dynamics - Different people will take various stances on where to use crescendos, play loud or soft and how to use the different voices of the guitar within the piece - listening to other people gives an idea of what sounds good and what sounds bad.

3. Tempo. Some of the U tube versoins play this really fast and in my view this makes the piece sound rather unpretty. Listening to the u tube versions has hopefully helped me to avoid this pitfall.


Of course, this is just my personal opinion, an alternative would be to record yourself playing it different ways to assess what works, but I think it is probably quicker to learn from other people's mistakes rather then your own.

:wink:

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Jue May 11, 2017 1:19 pm

David Sainz Alvarez escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 7:42 am
Seeing so many videos can be harmful. I prefer to do my waltz version
I'm not really sure how it could be harmful. Do you think that you could copy someone else's mistake? This could easily be remedied by following the music whilst listening to them play.

Or perhaps you think that watching different versions will be confusing. I tend to form an opinion of how well they have played while watching and how I might improve on it.

Of course we all prefer to do our own versions, but I don't think watching other performances means that we will copy exactly what they have done. I'm sure we will all play this piece differently and I look forward to seeing how you and the other D03 students have played this piece.

I respect you opinion David. At the end of the day, we are all different and what works for one person may not necessarily work for another.

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Jue May 11, 2017 8:54 pm

Hi DaveMoutrie
I very much agree with your claims.
The difference between his way of seeing it and mine is that I do not take it with such seriousness and professionalism.
I want to take the exam and make a decent interpretation, nothing more.
I've planned some dynamics and some idea but then I let myself go. If a recording I like ,I give it for good, not being perfect.
So I have done and I do with a lot of works and videos that I have published.

  We are in contact.
See you soon

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por Andrei Puhach » Jue May 11, 2017 10:33 pm

DaveMoutrie escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 12:47 pm
...

3. Tempo. Some of the U tube versoins play this really fast and in my view this makes the piece sound rather unpretty. Listening to the u tube versions has hopefully helped me to avoid this pitfall.
...
Totally agree! I find it sounds better when played slower.

David Sainz Alvarez

Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Jue May 11, 2017 11:44 pm

DaveMoutrie escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 7:31 am
If you do a U Tube search for this using the english title i.e. carulli waltz in e minor
you will find lots of verisions of this.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JC95mZFk0Q

or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1nGvvuAds

There is also a lesson on how to play it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuPEwQz7Oc
Of these three videos I only like the first one.
But our score is not the same. The interpreter also uses effect in the sound.
The last two seem very fast and I've only heard them 4 seconds :cornet:

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Vie May 12, 2017 7:31 am

David Sainz Alvarez escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 11:44 pm
DaveMoutrie escribió:
Jue May 11, 2017 7:31 am
If you do a U Tube search for this using the english title i.e. carulli waltz in e minor
you will find lots of verisions of this.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JC95mZFk0Q

or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1nGvvuAds

There is also a lesson on how to play it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuPEwQz7Oc
Of these three videos I only like the first one.
But our score is not the same. The interpreter also uses effect in the sound.
The last two seem very fast and I've only heard them 4 seconds :cornet:
Our score is a little different, but only differs in that our score has a few extra bass notes.

I agree that version 1 sounds better - he uses the different voices of the guitar, bar 24 has a crescendo and there is a rallantando at the end. I do think this version could be improved on though: for example the A part is played twice at the beginning and he plays it exactly the same both times (apart from an arpeggiated chord at the end).

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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por David Sainz Alvarez » Vie May 12, 2017 9:34 am

And does not silence on the bass in that first part
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Re: D03 Exam piece 2017

Mensaje por DaveMoutrie » Vie May 12, 2017 2:44 pm

David Sainz Alvarez escribió:
Vie May 12, 2017 9:34 am
And does not silence on the bass in that first part

silencio corchea.JPG
Excellent point David, this seems like an arpeggio exercise, so string dampings would not normally be used, but the rests in the base would suggest that string dampings should be used in the bass throughout the piece.
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